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The moderation team tells me that there has been another outbreak of an unproven or disproven treatment.

Please remember we are a group that favours evidence.

Other discussions belong elsewhere.

Members are directed to our Guidelines (repeated below, and always in our Forum menus).

In particular, the substance being discussed at the moment is in the:

List of unproven and disproven cancer treatments at:

Unproven and disproven cancer treatments

referred to in the Guidelines.

Always check there for a start if you are unsure.




PS: I thank the moderators for their difficult work. It is hard to censor someone whom they know may be acting from pure motives.

But it must be done. Members may be led to waste time, energy, and sometimes money if it is not done.

Moreover, search engines may characterise us as less evidence based if too many references to unproven or disproven treatments are found, and we may miss helping the very people we seek to help.




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Unproven and disproven cancer treatments

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Unproven and disproven cancer treatments

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The doubtful practitioners on Quackwatch are pretty much all from the USA because of the free speech amendment of the US constitution. Doubtful practitioners in Australia are protected by our libel laws.

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I don't mind that your post describes so many things that the medical professions say just do not cure cancer.

It would be nice if those who do practice any of the alterative remedies could show some real evidence that their  remedies lowered Psa test results over a long period of time in a scientific manner, and that scans back up the claims of lower Psa. But we just do not see this, and if they do claim Psa reduction occurs, then how do they prove their honesty and give us ways of confirming their claims that can be respected, involving medical establishments? I've tried a few alternatives and none worked.

Patrick Turner.

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